's build a bridge over the fiscal cliff, temporary bridge that says, you know, we will extend the tax cuts. you know, we'll reduce the spending cuts, especially in defense. we've going to do it for three months, six months. then we can have some time to look at this responsibly. remember, congress and the president never do anything that close to a good job if they are on a deadline or rush timetable. you know, we got obamacare because of that. that is going to prove a mess. we have gotten all kind of tax deals where things never really materialize. you know, ronald reagan had such a deal at the last minute in 1982, and out of every 100 cents of spending restraint he only got 75 cents because the deal was written so badly went need to take the time on this and not view december 31 as arbitrary deadline. >> jamie: it would be great if we did things in steps. i thought about this with the initial stimulus. why not spend a little and see what happens this but the white house said according to the reports -- let me get it right -- $400 billion in long-term reductions to medicare and medicaid.